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Post by mdbubba on Nov 15, 2018 9:52:33 GMT -2
So what I'm hearing is that a Damascus-Linganore state final at a site somewhere that is not Damascus is possible 🤣 I believe Franklin and North Point will have something to say about that though! Correct. With the new re-seeding format after the second round, two teams in the same region can potentially meet in the state final. Consider this the "Walkersville" rule, after there was significant outrage that the two best teams would meet in a region final rather than the state finals. Or, more to the point - there have been too many lopsided games in the state finals, when most people recognized that the "true' state final occurred before that point. This was even more the case in non-football sports, where certain regions have always been traditionally really strong (think 4A West Soccer and Anne Arundel and Baltimore County Lacrosse). or even the Linganore-Urbana effect when they both met regularly in the first round of the playoffs after playing each other the week before. |
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Post by sherwood2003 on Nov 15, 2018 10:43:22 GMT -2
The new playoff proposal is starting to grow on me. While it does water down the field tremendously, the re-seeding after the first round is worth it. Just the chance of having the two best teams actually meet in the state final instead of a regional final makes this a good change IMO.
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Post by eastofthebay on Nov 15, 2018 11:09:14 GMT -2
The new playoff format has been kicked down the road for 2-3 years. It will take effect eventually, but not next year. So these regional alignments will not even matter for that system. It will be the 2021 alignments that matter. This is what I have been told: The football committee has voted to install the new format (9 game schedule, 8 teams qualifying per region, re-seeding after the second round). The next steps are for some additional committees to vote to approve, including the Board of Control, which would not vote officially until Spring. However, the change would be installed starting in the Fall 2019 season. I think some were hoping to still give the teams who do not qualify the option of scheduling a 10th game - but that would have to be a change to COMAR regulation, as it is adding a non-playoff game at the end of the season. That part of the committee's proposal would not take into effect until 2021, if it was to be passed by the Board of Control and COMAR. Ok. So clear this up for me please. The new format WILL take place next year, but for the bottom tier teams, denying their "tournament" and instead just scheduling a 10th game won't happen until 2021? I was under the impression that this was an all or nothing deal. Which is why the whole thing may not happen for 2-3 years. |
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Post by mocofan on Nov 15, 2018 12:15:40 GMT -2
This is what I have been told: The football committee has voted to install the new format (9 game schedule, 8 teams qualifying per region, re-seeding after the second round). The next steps are for some additional committees to vote to approve, including the Board of Control, which would not vote officially until Spring. However, the change would be installed starting in the Fall 2019 season. I think some were hoping to still give the teams who do not qualify the option of scheduling a 10th game - but that would have to be a change to COMAR regulation, as it is adding a non-playoff game at the end of the season. That part of the committee's proposal would not take into effect until 2021, if it was to be passed by the Board of Control and COMAR. Ok. So clear this up for me please. The new format WILL take place next year, but for the bottom tier teams, denying their "tournament" and instead just scheduling a 10th game won't happen until 2021? I was under the impression that this was an all or nothing deal. Which is why the whole thing may not happen for 2-3 years. Nothing is 100% certain at this point. The football committee voted, almost unanimously, to adopt the new format (without the "consolation" tournament). They did however suggest that the state should look into adding language about teams who do not qualify having the ability to add an optional 10th game. However, the committee was aware that this would be a change to COMAR regulation, and would take at least a year to be approved at the state level (because COMAR regulation is more than just athletics - it would have to be changed at the state legislature level). Bottom line: The new nine game season, along with the expanded eight teams per region, has been approved by the football committee, for Fall 2019. It still must pass with the MPSSAA Board of Control. All signs lead to that becoming a reality. It is possible we may not know for 100% until April. The re-seeding when there are eight teams remaining (what would be the region final) has ALREADY been passed, for ALL sports, starting in Fall 2019. The part that will NOT take place in Fall 2019 is the possibility of teams that do not qualify for the playoffs having the ability to add an optional tenth game. COMAR regulation currently does not allow teams to add games to the schedule at the end of a season. If the MPSSAA Board of Control agrees to pursue this language, as suggested by the football committee, it would be at least a year until it eventually makes its way through the rest of the steps at the state level, which likely would push its implementation (should it pass) to the next classification cycle. |
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Post by Louie on Nov 15, 2018 12:41:53 GMT -2
Pros:
-Better state final and semifinal matchups
-5 seeds get a chance to prove themselves
Cons:
-7 and 8 seeds get physically abused in the last game of their season (or last game of life for most seniors)
-9, 10, and 11 seeds get shorted 1 game
Better solution:
Just keep the same format we already have and re-seed after round 1, duh! Nobody really cares about regional championships anyway.
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Post by hambonepack on Nov 15, 2018 13:05:36 GMT -2
Pros: -Better state final and semifinal matchups -5 seeds get a chance to prove themselves Cons: -7 and 8 seeds get physically abused in the last game of their season (or last game of life for most seniors) -9, 10, and 11 seeds get shorted 1 game Better solution: Just keep the same format we already have and re-seed after round 1, duh! Nobody really cares about regional championships anyway. winner winner, chicken dinner! |
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Post by couch on Nov 15, 2018 13:16:40 GMT -2
Pros: -Better state final and semifinal matchups -5 seeds get a chance to prove themselves Cons: -7 and 8 seeds get physically abused in the last game of their season (or last game of life for most seniors) -9, 10, and 11 seeds get shorted 1 game Better solution: Just keep the same format we already have and re-seed after round 1, duh! Nobody really cares about regional championships anyway. winner winner, chicken dinner! Forget the regions and just give me the best 16 teams. If more then 4 were to come out of one region ok with me
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Post by dc20004 on Nov 15, 2018 13:48:36 GMT -2
Pros: -Better state final and semifinal matchups -5 seeds get a chance to prove themselves Cons: -7 and 8 seeds get physically abused in the last game of their season (or last game of life for most seniors) -9, 10, and 11 seeds get shorted 1 game Better solution: Just keep the same format we already have and re-seed after round 1, duh! Nobody really cares about regional championships anyway. I like this solution also. The regions would still all get to put four teams into the playoffs. The first round of the playoffs that has teams in the same region playing against each other would mitigate the travel costs and time that seem to be a major concern for a new format. Re-seeding after the first round would get back to the playoff format that existed from 1985-2002. This would be the remaining eight teams in each classification seeded 1-8 based on playoff points. Under this type of playoff format, last year's 2A re-seeded field would look like: 1 Damascus 11.80 2 Walkersville 11.60 3 Harford Tech 9.70 4 Gwynn Park 9.50 5 Kent Island 8.10 6 Hereford 6.96 7 Thomas Stone 6.50 8 Glenelg 5.82 The downside is that when you have three quality teams in the region, one would still be left out. However, we might have gotten to see Damascus-Walkersville in Annapolis last year. I would take the compromise of losing the third best team from a region in the remaining eight, though. |
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Post by fallen on Nov 15, 2018 14:23:22 GMT -2
Bowl Games
Let's go Bowling
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Post by hornetssting on Nov 15, 2018 15:10:12 GMT -2
Everyone gets a trophy; what a life lesson.
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Post by fallen on Nov 15, 2018 16:05:45 GMT -2
Yea well it looks like we are heading that way anyway.
Could make some nice matchups wed never see as class should not matter. If u don't make the playoffs than a committe matches u up by wins and loses
If were going to radically change the system. Might as well go all in
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Post by mdbubba on Nov 15, 2018 18:13:12 GMT -2
Everyone gets a trophy; what a life lesson. Under some circumstances I would agree with you but not this time. The point of after school activities is participation. Sports can teach us many things both good and bad, but mostly good.. General McArthur once said that playing football was the best way to prepare young men for battle. Maybe General Patton said it too. So why not allow all young men and not just a few to participate in 'playoff fever"? It might be the start of developing a program. Down county schools and their communities don't have the commitment and resources to compete with the better programs. Many down county youth programs lose their kids to the private schools. Does Damascus normally lose their kids to the private schools? When scrimmaging Dmass youth years ago I counted three kids for Dmass playing QB that all played college ball. In down county, if the one youth kid playing QB in a youth program goes private than you have a gap on the high school level. Way to few kids being spread out over many high school teams. Having kids to continue to compete even if its the 'secondary" bowl will serve them better than not playing at all. Its not all about the wins and losses. Football teaches all sorts of life skills whether you win or lose. I could go much deeper but maybe you all should get your own house clean first. |
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Post by hornetssting on Nov 15, 2018 18:32:19 GMT -2
A spot in the playoffs should be earned, not given. You missed the point of my post Bubba.
What do you mean by "get your own house clean first"?
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Post by mdbubba on Nov 15, 2018 18:43:08 GMT -2
A spot in the playoffs should be earned, not given. You missed the point of my post Bubba. Ok I get it. With all the other sports already gone that way it was just a matter of time before this happened. So how do we make the best of the situation and allow the sport to grow? In a state as small as Maryland I think we can improve the game. I think more kids can benefit from the exposure. I like the re-seeding after the first round. Will be nice to see teams we normally don't get to see. |
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Post by oldtimemoco on Nov 15, 2018 21:27:06 GMT -2
Everyone gets a trophy; what a life lesson. Under some circumstances I would agree with you but not this time. The point of after school activities is participation. Sports can teach us many things both good and bad, but mostly good.. General McArthur once said that playing football was the best way to prepare young men for battle. Maybe General Patton said it too. So why not allow all young men and not just a few to participate in 'playoff fever"? It might be the start of developing a program. Down county schools and their communities don't have the commitment and resources to compete with the better programs. Many down county youth programs lose their kids to the private schools. Does Damascus normally lose their kids to the private schools? When scrimmaging Dmass youth years ago I counted three kids for Dmass playing QB that all played college ball. In down county, if the one youth kid playing QB in a youth program goes private than you have a gap on the high school level. Way to few kids being spread out over many high school teams. Having kids to continue to compete even if its the 'secondary" bowl will serve them better than not playing at all. Its not all about the wins and losses. Football teaches all sorts of life skills whether you win or lose. I could go much deeper but maybe you all should get your own house clean first. Dmass has lost plenty to GC and an occasional St Johns. Heck in the days when GC would publish the roster with the players hometown, there were a number of years they had more kids from Damascus than Olney! |
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